A dialogue on global warmism

A slightly redacted email exchange with a leftist friend, after I forwarded this link and pointed out that the "consensus" on global warming isn't a consensus:

These are good questions. Thank you. Part of the joy of knowing you -- aside from looking at you -- is being challenged by your perspective. It's delightful.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 my friend wrote:

The consequences of your side of the debate being wrong are far more catastrophic than those if mine are. Be prudent, darling. What's to lose?

A decent standard of living, especially for poorer people. Ask the Mexicans (among many others) who had their cost of food skyrocket because of ethanol mandates. Ask them "what's to lose?" and they'll tell you about their kids going hungry.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6255781.stm

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The cost of global warmism is not zero -- it's quite high, especially if the "answer" is to shut down the economies of the world, or divert food to fuel. Ethanol mandates alone have accelerated the loss of rain forest as the demand for corn and other ethanol feed stocks has gone up, resulting in vast new plantings of marginal and ecologically sensitive lands.
(http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=biofuels-bad-for-people-and-climate

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Ask the extinct species "what's to lose?" when it turns out -- Oops! -- it was all a mistake, no warming, but those species are gone forever.
(http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725975,00.html

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I can certainly understand the appeal to continue to live exactly as one wants to and imagine that there aren't any costs to pay whatsoever. Who wouldn't want to buy into that fairy tale?

This is an excellent point -- the same reason people ignore the looming disasters of Social Security and Medicare -- denial is so much easier than action, if action truly is needed.

What I don't understand is what "your" side imagines the appeal is to those of us who believe that behaviors must change for the planet to survive. What precisely do you think we "get" out of this? An orgasmic satisfaction for being busy-bodies?

Well, for the Watermelons -- the socialists and communists who became politically homeless after the fall of the Soviet Union -- they're just green on the outside, and still red on the inside. For them it's a perfect reason to do what Bush Jr tried to do with the war: stifle dissent, exaggerate dangers, and concentrate power. Global warmism has been the excuse for massive state intrusions into both the private sector and into people's private lives. It's the perfect excuse for totalitarianism.

And for you personally, the payoff is different, as you reveal below.

Between the high resource input demands of over-indulgent self-entitled Hummer owners and families with 7 children, and the slightly less high inputs of smug self-righteous Prius drivers with compost piles and two cats, lie people like me -- who think it's wrong to blindly deplete fisheries, dump phosphates in the water supply, pretend that oil supplies will never run out (never being a pretty ridiculous concept), that super mega-ton carbon emissions come at no cost whatsoever, or that the World will be just fine, in fact better, without all those pesky bears, condors, elephants, forests and other annoying and inconvenient flora and fauna that just get in the way of commerce.

We just don't happen to like this obsessively human-centric point of view, because we believe it's destructive, sense that the planet is telling us that, and think that (really) minor lifestyle adjustments could reverse a dangerous and perhaps life-extinguishing trajectory. If we're wrong what has actually been lost or forgone that has any real significance? If we're right, you and your offspring get to be here. Seems a fair gamble.

In other words, you get to do what Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell could only dream of -- the ability to use the power of the government to tell everybody how to live, what values to have, etc. (Beats having to persuade people, like they have to in free countries.)

Your straw man above is pretty grotesque, and typical of the hate projected by leftists onto my side -- the bizarre idea that we skeptics don't value the environment, or that we're all materialists, that we all worship commerce and cheer environmental depredations -- it's loony, yet you put it forward as only half tongue in cheek.

The reality is that the wealth generated by the free market has led to not dirtier but cleaner air, water, and soil, that rich countries protect species much better than poor ones, and that the only way to pay for even some of the interventions you want is to let my side run the economy long enough to generate the wealth to cover the tab.

Look at the ecological disaster areas of the 20th century -- they are the communist countries, not the capitalist ones. Look at the ecological disaster areas of the 21st century -- they are the poorest areas with the weakest property rights, yet global warmism deepens poverty and undermines property rights further.

I'm not the slightest religious and I don't know whether you are or not,

I'm the worst Christian I know -- and yes, somehow, still a Christian. And if you're a global warmist, then you're religious -- because it's a faith, it's not science.

but if 'god' created everything, how come most of what was created appears to be expendable, because humans seem to trump everything else? Are you more precious than a manatee in 'god's' eye?

Well, yes, actually, I think humans are more valuable than non-human animals. And I think humans have a God-given duty to protect the environment. (Hence my opposition to global warmism and its horrific costs to the poor and to the environment.)

And, as the Tappet Brothers say, I've just wasted the last hour. It's like sending an email to my brother-in-law about why he should abandon Ralph Nader -- the result will be the same.

(signed)

Wasted? Nonsense. If nothing else you've given me a wonderfully diverting 20 minutes responding to you, and deepened my affection for you. Now I have to go re-read everything I wrote to see if it makes sense from a perspective OTHER than behind my own eyes -- how could I not be grateful to you for that?

-Tom